Where we stand
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patrickcasey
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Re: Where we stand
The link did the same with me, it seems to be knocking the rugby union piece off the end. Hey ho, needless to say, I am pretty certain the other Daniel Carroll was not a dual national olympian!
I have heard back from the USARU who have duly forwarded my email to several members of their rugby history working group to see if any of them can help. I will let you know if any of them come up with anything.
I have also emailed the chap who posted the photograph on the link you provided, to establish the source.
Pip pip,
Tim
I have heard back from the USARU who have duly forwarded my email to several members of their rugby history working group to see if any of them can help. I will let you know if any of them come up with anything.
I have also emailed the chap who posted the photograph on the link you provided, to establish the source.
Pip pip,
Tim
Re: Where we stand
Right, I have heard back from the working group and they are being most helpful. They sent me a photo of the 1913 touring universities side, but, alas, this does not include either Gard or Noble. However, I have emailed to ask if they have any photos of the two test teams. Again, I await their response.
I have also heard back about the photo and biography of Noble, which are taken from the Knox County in the World War 1917-1918-1919.
I have also heard back about the photo and biography of Noble, which are taken from the Knox County in the World War 1917-1918-1919.
Re: Where we stand
I have been through every name on the ABMC.
However, I have not searched the CWGC yet. There were plenty of Americans who served and died with the British and wider commonwealth. For example, Dillwyn P. Starr, the Harvard American Footballer who was killed with the guards in September 1916.
It is a long shot, but needs to be covered.
However, I have not searched the CWGC yet. There were plenty of Americans who served and died with the British and wider commonwealth. For example, Dillwyn P. Starr, the Harvard American Footballer who was killed with the guards in September 1916.
It is a long shot, but needs to be covered.
Re: Where we stand
I have just received an email bid for Jack King & John Raphael of England by Paul Wapshott So good luck to him with his research
Adrian
Adrian
Re: Where we stand
From Patrick Casey by Email:-
Please put me down for:
David Bedell-Sivright ("Darkie Bedell-Sivright"), died on 5 September 1915, Aged 35
James Laidlaw Huggan, died on 16 September 1914, Aged 25
Ronald Francis Simson, died on 14 September 1914, Aged 24
Stephen Sebastian Leonard Steyn, died on 8 December 1917, Aged 28
Please put me down for:
David Bedell-Sivright ("Darkie Bedell-Sivright"), died on 5 September 1915, Aged 35
James Laidlaw Huggan, died on 16 September 1914, Aged 25
Ronald Francis Simson, died on 14 September 1914, Aged 24
Stephen Sebastian Leonard Steyn, died on 8 December 1917, Aged 28
I am happy to do
If we add these men I am happy to do them
Charlie Adamson (English), died on 17 September 1918, Aged 43. As he plyed for Bristol I feel I am obliged to say yes
Noel Forbes Humphreys MC (Welsh), died 27 March 1918, Aged 27
Charlie Adamson (English), died on 17 September 1918, Aged 43. As he plyed for Bristol I feel I am obliged to say yes
Noel Forbes Humphreys MC (Welsh), died 27 March 1918, Aged 27
WW1
Put me down for the NZ players Dewar, Downing and Sellars.
A couple of points on the NZ players Kaipara and Wilson
As I understand it Kaipara played for the New Zealand Maoris and never played for the All Blacks
Wilson played for New Zealand against club sides and never played in an international.
A couple of points on the NZ players Kaipara and Wilson
As I understand it Kaipara played for the New Zealand Maoris and never played for the All Blacks
Wilson played for New Zealand against club sides and never played in an international.
Put me down for
Australia
Edward Larkin, died on 25 April 1915, Aged 34
Blair Swannell, 25 April 1915, Aged 39
New Zealand
Hubert Sydney Turtill ("Jum" Turtill), died on 9 April 1918, Aged 38
Edward Larkin, died on 25 April 1915, Aged 34
Blair Swannell, 25 April 1915, Aged 39
New Zealand
Hubert Sydney Turtill ("Jum" Turtill), died on 9 April 1918, Aged 38
WW1
Put me down for Ronald Poulton Palmer, please.
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Good Resource
For all of you beavering away researching players this link has been sent in by James Corsan. I have used the site myself & it can be very helpful!
WW1 Talk Sportsmen & Women
Adrian
WW1 Talk Sportsmen & Women
Adrian
HR Stolz USA
Apologies for joining this rather late. It looks that all the Rosslyn Park England players are neatly covered - Dingle, Todd, Harrison - and I know a certain amount about Jean Jacques Conilh de Beyssac, (although some frustration in contacting relatives here). If I can get more, I am happy to be his author.
My eye alit on HR Stolz, a replacement in one one of the American teams. He played for Rosslyn Park in 1911. Memory (fallible) tells me he may have been an Oxford blue too... to be checked.
Has anyone found the US version of CWGC that would tell me if he qualifies for inclusion in my list of RPFC in memoriam i.e did he die in WW1. Or is the list of internationals died below in Adrian's summary, the gospel version?
With various Aussies, South Africans, a Frenchman and near-miss Swede called von Braun who survived (how many times do you think he had to explain he was Swedish?!) it would be fascinating to have an American.
My eye alit on HR Stolz, a replacement in one one of the American teams. He played for Rosslyn Park in 1911. Memory (fallible) tells me he may have been an Oxford blue too... to be checked.
Has anyone found the US version of CWGC that would tell me if he qualifies for inclusion in my list of RPFC in memoriam i.e did he die in WW1. Or is the list of internationals died below in Adrian's summary, the gospel version?
With various Aussies, South Africans, a Frenchman and near-miss Swede called von Braun who survived (how many times do you think he had to explain he was Swedish?!) it would be fascinating to have an American.
H.R. Stoltz
Not sure if this helps, but I've just had a look through my copy of the "CENTENARY HISTORY OF OXFORD UNIVERSITY RUGBY FOOTBALL CLUB 1869-1969" by Ross McWhirter and Sir Andrew Noble (Oxford University RFC, 1969) and Stolz does not appear in their comprehensive list of those awarded an Oxford Blue up to 1969.
Instead, it mentions Donald Herring (later Lieut-Colonel Donald Grant Herring), a forward, as being the first American to gain a rugby Blue, in 1909.
Born 6th September 1886, he was educated at Lawrenceville School, Princeton University and Merton College. A Rhodes Scholar, he also played for Rosslyn Park.
Herring also won a Blue for Athletics, coming third in the Hammer with 122 feet. He had been an inter-collegiate heavyweight wrestling champion in the USA.
He served in France with the 94th Pursuit Squadron (in which Edward Rickenbacker also served) in the United States Air Force from 1917 to 1919.
He later taught at Princeton, farmed and then went into the oil business.
Herring died on 20th October 1968.
Instead, it mentions Donald Herring (later Lieut-Colonel Donald Grant Herring), a forward, as being the first American to gain a rugby Blue, in 1909.
Born 6th September 1886, he was educated at Lawrenceville School, Princeton University and Merton College. A Rhodes Scholar, he also played for Rosslyn Park.
Herring also won a Blue for Athletics, coming third in the Hammer with 122 feet. He had been an inter-collegiate heavyweight wrestling champion in the USA.
He served in France with the 94th Pursuit Squadron (in which Edward Rickenbacker also served) in the United States Air Force from 1917 to 1919.
He later taught at Princeton, farmed and then went into the oil business.
Herring died on 20th October 1968.
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Re: Where we stand
This is all great learning. DG Herring is indeed another Park name, but i was not aware he was American and it would therefore seem that Park had an influx of Yanks from Oxford. A quick Google reveals that Herring was an advocate of replacing Amercical football with rugby - good luck with that!
Herring survived the war and so does not qualify for the book! ( I feel gulty even saying it...) There might be a book of survivors to be written - a novel twist for WW1.
Clearly memory is fallible on Stolz as a Blue, but he rings a bell somewhere. For a while I cherished the notion that RPFC may have had a German player, just as we had a Frenchman - Park toured Germany and Austria before the war playing exhibition games and you just never know. Stolz leapt out at me, as did von Braun the Swede. I vaguely recall that Ldn Scottish had a Schultze who changed his name, but then so did the Battenburgs and Saxe-Coburgs!
Herring survived the war and so does not qualify for the book! ( I feel gulty even saying it...) There might be a book of survivors to be written - a novel twist for WW1.
Clearly memory is fallible on Stolz as a Blue, but he rings a bell somewhere. For a while I cherished the notion that RPFC may have had a German player, just as we had a Frenchman - Park toured Germany and Austria before the war playing exhibition games and you just never know. Stolz leapt out at me, as did von Braun the Swede. I vaguely recall that Ldn Scottish had a Schultze who changed his name, but then so did the Battenburgs and Saxe-Coburgs!
Where we stand
A couple of corrections to your list of Wales Internationals :
1). Charles Pritchard's 2nd name should read "MEYRICK".
2). I have RDG Williams as killed in action 27th Sept 1915.
Newport RFC Club Historian / Archivist
1). Charles Pritchard's 2nd name should read "MEYRICK".
2). I have RDG Williams as killed in action 27th Sept 1915.
Newport RFC Club Historian / Archivist
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WW1 cancelled?
Chaps,
Hate to be the Grinch, but is the WW1 project now history as Nigel McCrery's book covers the ground? How well I do not know, but it's out Jan 13.
Stephen
Hate to be the Grinch, but is the WW1 project now history as Nigel McCrery's book covers the ground? How well I do not know, but it's out Jan 13.
Stephen
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