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Post  AdrianHunter on Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:46 pm

This list is now evolutionary & will be updated as required to reflect our progress Exclamation

I have marked completed work with a Arrow

I have marked those players that members are in the process of writing biographies for with a Like a Star @ heaven

The rest are up for grabs Smile If some one has already earmarked a player that you would really like to do drop me a line and I will see if some horse trading can be arranged Razz


Australia

Harold Wesley George, died on 10 May 1915, Aged 28.
Bryan Desmond Hughes MC, died on 6 August 1918, Aged 32
Hubert A Jones, died on 9 July 1918, Aged 28.
Edward Larkin, died on 25 April 1915, Aged 34 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Blair Swannell, 25 April 1915, Aged 39 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
William Tasker, died on 9 August 1918, Aged 26.
Fred Thompson, killed in action on 29 May 1915, Aged 25.
Arthur Verge, died on 8 September 1915, Aged 35.
Clarrie Wallach MC, died on 22 April 1918, Aged 28.

England

Harry Alexander; died on 17 October 1915 Aged 35
Henry Berry; died on 9 May 1915, Aged 32. Arrow (A Hunter)
Arthur James Dingle; died on 22 August 1915, Aged 23 Arrow (A Hunter)
George Eric Burroughs Dobbs, died on 17 June 1917, Aged 32. Arrow (A Hunter)
Leonard Haigh, died on 6 August 1916 Aged 29. Arrow (A Hunter)
Reginald Harry Myburgh Hands, ("Reggie Hands") died on 20 April 1918, Aged 29 Arrow (A Hunter)
Arthur Leyland Harrison VC; died on 23 April 1918, Aged 32 Arrow (A Hunter)
Harold Augustus Hodges; died on 24 March 1918, Aged 32 14 Arrow (A Hunter)
Rupert Edward Inglis; died on 18 September 1916, Aged 53 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Percy Dale Kendall; died on 21 January 1915, Aged 34 Arrow (A Hunter)
John Abbott King; died on 9 August 1916, Aged 32 Like a Star @ heaven (P Wapshott)
Ronald Owen Lagden; died on 3 March 1915, Aged 26 Arrow (A Hunter)
Douglas Lambert; died on 13 October 1915, Aged 32 Arrow (A Hunter)
Alfred Frederick Maynard; died on 13 November 1916, Aged 22 Arrow (A Hunter)
Edgar Roberts Mobbs, ("Mobbsy") died on 29 July 1917, Aged 37 Arrow (A Hunter)
William Moore Bell Nanson; died on 4 June 1915, Aged 34 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Francis Eckley Oakeley; died on 25 November 1914, Aged 23 Arrow (A Hunter)
Robert Lawrence Pillman; died on 9 July 1916, Aged 23 Arrow (A Hunter)
Ronald William Poulton-Palmer, ("Ronnie Poulton") died on 5 May 1915, Aged 25 Arrow (J Corsan)
John Edward Raphael, died on 11 June 1917, Aged 35 Like a Star @ heaven (P Wapshott)
Reginald Oscar Schwarz MC, ("Reggie Schwarz") died on 18 November 1918, Aged 43 Arrow (A Hunter)
Lancelot Andrew Noel Slocock; died on 9 August 1918, Aged 29 Arrow (A Hunter)
Francis Nathaniel Tarr; died on 18 July 1915, Aged 27 Arrow (A Hunter)
Alexander Findlater Todd, died on 21 April 1915, Aged 41 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
James Henry Digby Watson; died on 15 October 1914, Aged 24. Arrow (A Hunter)
Charles Edward Wilson
Arthur James Wilson, died on 1 July 1917, Aged 29 Arrow (A Hunter)

France

Marie Jean-Baptiste Joseph Anduran ("Joé Anduran"); died on 2 October 1914, Aged 32 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
René Emile Henri Boudreaux; died on 8 September 1915, Aged 34.
Maurice Jean-Paul Boyau (Medaille Militaire, Legion d'Honneur); died on 16 September 1918, Aged 30 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Jean Bouin; died on 30 June 1915 (probable), aged 24.
Marcel Henry Burgun; died on 2 September 1916, Aged 26.
Jean Jacques Conilh de Beyssac ; died on 13 June 1918, Aged 28. Like a Star @ heaven (S Cooper)
Paul Henri Descamps; died on 27 June 1915, Aged 31.
Julien Dufau; died on December 1916, Aged 28.
Paul Dupré; died on 15 May 1915, Aged 27.
Albert Eutrope; died on 26 May 1915, Aged 27.
Marc Giacardy; died on 20 August 1917, Aged 26
Aimé Giral; died on 22 July 1915, Aged 29.
Pierre Guillemin; died on 9 October 1915, Aged 20
Maurice Hedembaigt; died on 5 August 1918, Aged 37.
Emmanuel Iguinitz; died on 20 September 1914, Aged 24
Daniel Ihingoué; died on 16 April 1917, Aged 28 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Henri Isaac; died on 20 June 1917 Aged 34
Henri André Lacassagne; died on 11 November 1916, Aged 19
Gaston Lane; died on 23 September 1914, Aged 31 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Jean Larribau; died on 31 December 1916, Aged 27
Marcel Legrain; died on 27 June 1915, Aged 21.
Alfred Mayssonnié ("Maysso"); died on 6 September 1914, Aged 30. Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
François Poeydebasque; died on 21 December 1914, Aged 23
Théodore Varvier; died possibly 1913, pre WW1. Aged 29

Great Britain

Charlie Adamson (English), died on 17 September 1918, Aged 43. Question (P Casey)
Noel Forbes Humphreys MC (Welsh), died 27 March 1918, Aged 27 Question (P Casey)

Ireland

Captain Basil Maclear 24th May 1915 Arrow (P Casey)
Captain Ernest Cotton Deane MC 25th September 1915 Arrow (P Casey)
2nd Lieutenant Vincent McNamara 29th November 1915 Arrow (P Casey)
Captain Robert Balderston Burgess 9th December 1915 Arrow (P Casey)
Captain Alfred Squire Taylor 31st July 1917 Arrow (P Casey)
Major Albert Lewis Stewart 4th October 1917 Arrow (P Casey)
Captain William Victor Edwards 29th December 1917 Arrow (P Casey)
Major William John Beatty OBE 10th February 1919 Arrow (P Casey)
Colonel William Hallaran Question Arrow (P Casey)

New Zealand

James Alexander Steenson Baird ("Jim Baird"), died on 7 June 1917, Aged 23.
Robert Stanley Black ("Bobby Black"), died on 21 September 1917, Aged 23
Henry Dewar ("Norkey Dewar"), died on 19 August 1915, Aged 33. Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Ernest Henry Dodd ("Ernie Dodd"), died on 11 September 1918 aged 38
Albert Joseph Downing ("Doolan Downing"), died on 8 August 1915 aged 28. Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
David Gallaher ("Dave Gallaher"), died on 4 October 1917, Aged 41. Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Eric Tristram Harper, died on 30 April 1918, Aged 40.
Autini Pitara Kaipara, died 4 August 1917 aged 30 Question
James McNeece ("Jim McNeece"), died on 21 June 1917, Aged 31
Alexander James Ridland ("Jimmy Ridland"), died on 5 November 1918, Aged 36
George Maurice Victor Sellars, died on 7 June 1917, Aged 31 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Reginald Taylor ("Reg Taylor"), died on 20 June 1917, Aged 28
Hubert Sydney Turtill ("Jum" Turtill), died on 9 April 1918, Aged 38 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Frank Reginald Wilson, Died on 19 September 1916, Aged 31 Question

Scotland

Cecil Halliday Abercrombie, died on 31 May 1916 Aged 30
David McLaren Bain, died on 3 June 1915, Aged 24
David Bedell-Sivright ("Darkie Bedell-Sivright"), died on 5 September 1915, Aged 35 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Patrick Charles Bentley Blair, died on 6 July 1915 Aged 24
John Argentine Campbell, died on 1 December 1917, Aged 40.
William Campbell Church, died on 28 June 1915, Aged 32.
Walter Michael Dickson, died on 26 September 1915, Aged 30.
John Henry Dods, died on 31 December 1915, Aged 40
Walter Torrie Forrest, died on 19 April 1917, Aged 36
Rowland Fraser, died on 1 July 1916, Aged 26.
William Elphinstone Gordon, died on 30 August 1918, Aged 25
James Young Milne Henderson, died on 31 July 1917, Aged 26
David Dickie Howie ("Dave Howie"), died on 19 January 1916, Aged 27
James Laidlaw Huggan, died on 16 September 1914, Aged 25 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
William Ramsay Hutchison, died on 22 March 1918, Aged 29
George A.W. Lamond, died on 25 February 1918, Aged 39
Eric Milroy, ("Puss Milroy") died on 18 July 1916 Aged 28.
Thomas Arthur Nelson, died on 9 April 1917, Aged 40
James Pearson, died on 22 May 1915, Aged 26
Lewis Robertson, died on 3 November 1914, Aged 31
James Ross, died on 31 October 1914, Aged 34
Andrew Ross, died on 6 April 1916, Aged 36
Ronald Francis Simson, died on 14 September 1914, Aged 24 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Stephen Sebastian Leonard Steyn, died on 8 December 1917, Aged 28 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)
Walter Riddell Sutherland ("Wattie Suddie"), died on 4 October 1918, Aged 27
Frederick Harding Turner, died on 10 January 1915, Aged 26
Albert Luvian Wade, died on 28 April 1917, Aged 32.
William Middleton Wallace, died on 22 August 1915, Aged 22
John George Will, died on 25 March 1917, Aged 24
John Skinner Wilson, died on 31 May 1916, Aged 32
Eric Templeton Young, died on 28 June 1915, Aged 23

South Africa

Adam Francis Burdett; died on November 4, 1918, Aged 36
Septimus Heyns Ledger ("Sep Ledger"); died on 13 April 1917 Aged 26. Like a Star @ heaven (A Hunter)
Tobias Mortimer Moll ("Toby Moll"); died on 14 July 1916, Aged 26
Jan Willem Hunter Morkel ("Jacky Morkel"); died on 15 May 1916, Aged 25 Like a Star @ heaven (A Hunter)
Gerald W. Thompson ("Tommy Thompson"); died on 20 June 1916, Aged 29 Like a Star @ heaven (A Hunter)

USA

Frank J Gard died September 29 1918 Arrow (P Casey)
Ralph M Noble died May 14 1918 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)

Wales

William Purdon Geen ("Billy Geen"), died on 31 July 1915, Aged 24 Like a Star @ heaven (A Hunter)
Brinley Richard Lewis ("Bryn Lewis"), died on 2 April 1917, Aged 26
Fred Leonard Perret, died on 1 December 1918, Aged 27 Like a Star @ heaven (G Rees)
Louis Augustus Phillips ("Lou Phillips"), died on 14 March 1916, Aged 38
Charles Mayrick Pritchard ("Charlie Pritchard"), died on 14 August 1916, aged 34. Like a Star @ heaven (G Rees)
Charles Gerald Taylor, died on 24 January 1915, Aged 51.
Edward John Richard Thomas ("Dick Thomas"), died on 7 July 1916, Aged 35 Like a Star @ heaven (G Rees)
Horace Wyndham Thomas, died on 3 September 1916, Aged 26
Phillip Dudley Waller, ("Phil Waller") died on 14 December 1917, Aged 28.
David Watts, died on 14 July 1916, Aged 30 Arrow (G Rees)
David Westacott, ("Dai Westacott") died on 27 August 1917, Aged 35
John Lewis Williams, ("Johnnie Wlliams") died on 12 July 1916, aged 34. Like a Star @ heaven (G Rees)
Richard Davies Garnons Williams, died on 28 September 1915, Aged 59 Like a Star @ heaven (P Casey)


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Irish Internationals to die in WW1

Post  patrickcasey on Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:59 am

Wikipedia has the Irish list wrong. It should be
8 listed by CWGC
Captain Basil Maclear 24th May 1915
Captain Ernest Cotton Deane MC 25th September 1915
2nd Lieutenant Vincent McNamara 29th November 1915
Captain Robert Balderston Burgess 9th December 1915
Captain Alfred Squire Taylor 31st July 1917
Major Albert Lewis Stewart 4th October 1917
Captain William Victor Edwards 29th December 1917
Major William John Beatty OBE 10th February 1919

Those that died from the effects of the war, are listed in books but not by CWGC
Major Robertson Stewart Smyth MD 5th April 1916
2nd Lieutenant Jasper Thomas Brett 4th February 1917

I have already done these but they need tidying up for a book. There are lots of notes rather than a proper story. Please put me down for that.

I have also done a lot on the Welsh man Garnons already. In fact I think I am right in saying a friend of mine is in touch with his relatives. It would be good to get in touch with relatives to get hold of photos and stories. Also good idea to include a bit on where and how they died.

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Re: Where we stand

Post  AdrianHunter on Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:57 pm

Patrick,

I have ammended the master list to reflect these corrections, I always knew that I shouldnt trust Wikepedia Embarassed

I have also pencilled you in for Richard Garnons

Thanks

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Sources of Information

Post  patrickcasey on Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:51 am

For those that don't know the Commonwealth & War Graves Commission has a searchable list of all Commonwealth forces to die in both WW1 and WW2 at www.cwgc.org
They have assured me in the past that they have listed everyone
There are some details with most soldiers

www.ancestry.co.uk has scans of WW1 Medal cards, WW1 Service records, WW1 Pension Records, National Rolls and De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour

http://www.ww1photos.com/ has photos of many soldiers.

I have the WW1 Memorial books Bond of Sacrifice and Our Heroes.

I also have many Glos Regt and Somerset Light Infantry books

Also copies of many WW1 history books if anyone needs me to look anything up

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Re: Where we stand

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:32 am

Good idea Patrick, if we could all post some of the titles that we own in relation to WW1 it might be of use to others.

As mentioned before, archive.org has a number of rolls of honour including Harrow School, Edinburgh University, Aberdeen University and De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour (if you can get it to work!).

In my own collection I have several reference books including:

Memorials to Old Rugbeians
Balliol College War Memorial Book
Winchester War Service Roll
House of Commons Book of Remembrance
Stock Exchange Roll of Honour
Divisional and Regimental Histories
Other personal memorial volumes

This is by no means a complete list, so, if you are looking for something please do ask.

I am also builing up a few nice rugby reference books that may be of interest but I suspect most of you will have these as this is a new element to my library.

Pip pip,

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Re: Where we stand

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:53 am

I suspect this would be better off in this particular thread to add to what we have already. Here are the details of ALL who played in the international matches for the All-American team in 1912 and 1913:

No. Player Position Debut
1 A.E. Allen centre v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
2 J. Arrell prop v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
3 Charlie Austin centre v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
4 Ben Erb fullback v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
5 F.J. Gard flanker v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
6 P.R. Harrigan fly-half v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
7 W.N. King flanker v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
8 J.L. McKim prop v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
9 E. Momson no. 8 v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
10 L.M. Morris scrum-half v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
11 R.M. Noble wing v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
12 S.B. Peart wing v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
13 A.M. Sanborn hooker v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
14 K.L. Schaupp lock v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
15 W.L. Smith lock v Australia at Berkeley, 16 Nov 1912
16 R.R. Blase lock v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
17 Danny Carroll centre v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
18 Louis Cass scrum-half v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
19 W.P. Darsie flanker v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
20 G. Glasscock prop v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
21 E.B. Hall hooker v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
22 Mow Mitchell fly-half v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
23 J.A. Ramage fullback v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
24 J.C. Urban wing v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
25 G. Voight lock v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
26 A. Knowles (replacement) v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913
27 H.R. Stolz (replacement) v New Zealand at Berkeley, 15 Nov 1913

It will be a case of working out which of these (if any) fell during The Great War.

Pip pip,

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US Soldiers to die in WW1

Post  patrickcasey on Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:11 am

I understand www.ancestry.co.uk has a list of US Soldiers that died in ww1.
I have full access to the website
I will go through this list and see what I can find. If I can confirm anyone dying or surviving I will post here.
I will probably start with the most unusual names first in the hope that they will be easier.
There are a couple of German sounding names in the list!

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Re: Where we stand

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:26 am

I have just been on the American Battlefield Monument Commission website and having looked at the first few have found:

Frank J. Gard
First Lieutenant, U.S. Army
362nd Infantry Regiment, 91st Division
Entered the Service from: Ohio
Died: September 29, 1918
Buried at: Plot B Row 33 Grave 24
Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery
Romagne, France

Ralph M. Noble
Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army
342nd Infantry Regiment attached with French
Entered the Service from: Illinois
Died: May 14, 1918
Buried at: Plot A Row 29 Grave 13
Somme American Cemetery
Bony, France
Awards: French Croix de Guerre


There are possible entries for Smith (no surprise there!) and Hall.

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Frank Gard

Post  patrickcasey on Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:00 am

At http://www.phigam.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=966
Gard, Frank J. (Stanford 1914) - first lieutenant, 362nd Infantry; killed in Meuse-Argonne offensive 9-27-1918.
Note different date in above

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Re: Where we stand

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:06 am

Hi Patrick,

Good work on that. there is also a 'Spalding Rugby Year Book' on archive which seems to have some useful information, though my server here at work will not allow me to access archive.org.

Useful to know his university, they may hold more info.

In regards to the date, it may be on his death card. Of course, it is not uncommon to get discrepancies with the CWGC and Soldiers Died either so we may never find out definitely.

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Stanford University

Post  patrickcasey on Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:20 am


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Frank Gard

Post  patrickcasey on Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:34 am

references I can find on the internet say he was from Glendora, California.
Looking at ancestry I think I have found his WW1 Draft Registration card
Not sure how to upload images on this forum

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Re: Where we stand

Post  AdrianHunter on Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:48 pm

Well it seems that you two have the USA far better covered than I do Exclamation

By the By I will take William Geen from Wales, I stumbled across him researching my book

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Frank J Gard

Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:08 am

I don't believe anyone has ever looked at US rugby players to die in WW1 before.

Below link to what I believe to be the WW1 draft of our man.
Frank J Gard Draft

He was born 27th March 1892 (I think thats what it says) in Ohio but lived in Glendora, California. This would make him 20 when he died

I have also found a reference on ancestry of his mother, Laura E Gard of Route 3, Pasadena, Los Angeles doing something called a US World War 1 Mother's Pilgramage in 1930. See below
Name: Mrs Laura E Gard
Given Name: Mrs Laura E
Address: Route 3
City: Pasadena
County: Los Angeles
State: CA
Relationship: Mother
Surname Deceased: Gard
Given Name Deceased: Frank J
Rank: 1st lt
Organization: Co. M, 362d Inf
Cemetery: Meuse-Argonne
Desires Pilgrimage Later: Yes


This is certainly the Frank J. Gard that died in WW1. Hopefully Stanford will confirm that this same Frank J. Gard was the one that played rugby foir the US
I will contact Stanford and tell them about our project and see if they can confirm details about him.

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Ralph M. Noble

Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:38 am

I believe this to be Ralph Matthews Noble
Born 25th March 1889 Iowa
Registered at Knox Illinois
Below a link to his draft card
http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/15/02/93/02/knoxww10.jpg

There are details and a photo of him at
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSvcid=112326&GRid=9241005&

He also appears to have been to Stanford and graduated in 1913. Again there are pictures of him in the Stanford yearbooks.

It wouldn't suprise me to find out that the US selection was limited to a few clubs, Stanford University being one. This was certainly the case for the 1920 US Olympic rugby team. See http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/olympics.htm
US rugby was heavily concentrated in California at the time.

I will see what Stanford can come up with

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Stanford University

Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:45 am

Good grief my university was never like this
http://www.stanford.edu/
Even the website reeks of money
What am I doing in this country?

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Fantastic Work!

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:28 am

Well done Patrick, some cracking work to find these bits and pieces out.

That is fascinating about Gard's mother, i don't think we could track that information down for a Commonwealth casualty. I am going to have a look through the other links you have posted in a minute.

I have been in touch with the USA Rugby Union who have recently set up a Rugby History working group, I shall let you know what they have to say. I have asked if they have any team shots &c. of the two matches. Intrestingly, Scrum.com has a match against Romania played at Stade Columbes in France, though it has no date, it is just included in the 1910-1919 time period, it also has no team sheet, but, the US won!

Patrick, would like to write up something more solid for Gard and I will do the same for Noble? Then we can compare notes. I only as as Noble played the same position as I Smile Also, I will get a chance to visit Noble in May as I am popping over to Epehy and he is just down the road.

I think you may well be right in regards to the US players. I can find no mention of them anywhere. It make it all rather exciting.

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Gard

Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:42 am

I'll put something together next week
Getting this US stuff together will provide a good market for the book in the states.
What about a book launch at Stanford?
Maybe not I'd never come back home

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Re: Where we stand

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:35 am

You are absolutely right about the marketing aspects, particularly as the All-Americans do not appear to have been featured in any of the casualty lists or rolls of honour produced since the war.

Ok, just to save you any dilemmas regarding your return or not, I will, with a heavy heart, undertake the US unveiling at Stanford Wink
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Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:34 am

I have been through the Stanford University Roll of Honor for WW1 and there is only Gard and Noble listed that match the US players pre WW1. Note Frank Gard was captain of the USA against the All Blacks in 1913.
I have the 1900 and 1910 US Census with Frank Gard and his family. I will write up

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Re: Where we stand

Post  AdrianHunter on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:03 am

Most excellent work Patrick,

I will add their names to the master list!

Over the next few days I will try to make a page outlining the project for the main website

I might not be able to make Stanford, but with a heavy heart I could force myself to the Twickenham launch (preferably on a six nations day Laughing )

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Stanford University

Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:14 am

It seems that the Stanford University American Football captains were
Benjamin Erb 1911
Frank J. Gard 1914
D.B.Carroll 1915
who also all played rugby for the USA

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D.B. Carroll

Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:25 am

Of course, D.B. Carroll was a famous dual national olympian...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Carroll_(rugby_union)

p.s. it may be easier to copy the above link and paste it into your address bar! scratch


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Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:45 am

So he was, although you have the wrong link here, something about a 18th Century politician.
Daniel Carroll was a member of the Australian gold medal team in 1908, and won another gold for the USA in 1920.
Both in rugby. He was player/coach in 1920
He is featured as one of the Australian players in the book The First Wallabies by Peter Sharpham

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Post  patrickcasey on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:46 am

Didn't click on the link properly got taken to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Carroll

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