Club Strips and logos &c. c.1914

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:03 pm

Hullo Chaps,

I am in the process of gathering enough information to reproduce a complete vintage rugby strip. One of my hobbies is Living History and a few of us have had the idea of recreating the uniforms to have a 'vintage' game some day. Even if that never comes off, I would still really like to try take the idea forward. There is a fantastic firm in France who make the vintage French shirts, but nothing here in Blighty.

I am trying to collate some images of strips of club sides just before The Great War. The sides I am particularly interested in, in this respect, are; Blackheath, Harlequins and Wasps. From these I will attempt to get a pattern made.

As an aside, does anyone collect vintage rugby kits?

Do any of you have photographs or illustrations of the kits of this time? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

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Post  AdrianHunter on Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:54 am

Well, Sign me up for Quins!

What a great idea.

I do have copies of Wakelams Harlequin Story & Warners The Harlequins as well as a pictorial history of Blackheath. I will happily have a look & scan anything usefull if you havent seen these Very Happy

I did notice that the RFU have just released some centenary kit. Not strictly accurate but similar to the pre WW1 days. I might well pick one up myself Exclamation

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:36 am

I am eager to recreate a Quins shirt anyway, owing to one of my heroes being Ronnie Poulton Palmer.

If you are interested I will let you know once we have prices and sources finalised. Our big problem with Quins has been the socks. Though, the Quins archivist was pretty certain they have a set of socks form the era that we could potentially make a pattern from.

I have just purchased all the books you mentioned and am eagerly awaiting their arrival today or tomorrow, but thank you for the offer.

Interesting in re. the RFU I may have to do likewise!

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:04 pm

Blast, those shirts looked rather spiffing. Replicas of those worn by Ronnie et al in the Wales match of 1910. One minor snag, Twickers have sold out of the entire centenary range. They are expecting a fresh batch, but do not know when.

I shall have to get one too!

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Post  AdrianHunter on Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:18 pm

Tim,

A couple of thoughts that may or may not be of use Laughing

Have you floated this past the Rugby Museum at Twickenham Question This should be right up their street

Also if you are looking for a venue how bout the fat boy sevens held annually at the Reading Abbey club.

The premiership clubs are normally represented (try drunken Wasps for your own affiliation) I played there for quins supporters a few years ago Exclamation

This is just the type of idea that they might go for (I also played for the 'London Blobbarians' in a 10's exhibition match that year Laughing )

hope that this helps

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:34 am

Hullo Adrian,

Thanks for your message.

As of yet I have not approached the Museum at Twickers. Though, it may be worthwhile doing one we are little further along.

The sevens idea sounds quite fun, failing all else we could enter a 'vintage' team. I will put it to the chaps. Would you be interested in playing yourself in the vintage sevens?

As always, it is a great help to have other ideas put forward.

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Post  AdrianHunter on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:34 am

"Playing" may be putting it a bit strong these days Exclamation

If I am in the country I would probably come along and crawl around the pitch a bit though Laughing

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:55 am

Hear, hear. I propose a determined mooch about the pitch togged up in some rather fetching vintage kit.

I am sure we will get enough takers to make a team up. Though, I suspect most of our points will be in style alone! I am no Ronnie Poulton or Adrian Stoop, myself. Smile

p.s. we could just blame it on these dratted new-fangled balls, points system &c. Very Happy

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Post  AdrianHunter on Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:00 pm

Can be bought from France Exclamation

They look good but are not cheap. They can be found at

http://www.sports-depoque.com/rugby_uk/maillot_england_1871.php

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:52 am

Hullo Adrian,

Yes, I have been in contact with the chap in the past. They do some fantastic French club shirts too and I asked if there were plans for other club teams from Blighty and elsewhere. Alas, not yet.

The England rose is also incorrect for the c.1914 period. I am cyurrently looking into getting the correct rose reproduced.

Though, as you say, a little bit pricey to potentially get scragged in the first game!

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Post  AdrianHunter on Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:07 pm

Tim,

Been meaning to ask for a while, what rules would you play under ancient or modern Question

If you are using the contempoary scoring system then I will have to polish up my drop goals Exclamation

(For polish up actually read develop from scratch lol! )

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:09 am

Hullo Adrian,

It would have to be the contemporary rules, nothing else would be worthwhile doing.

Yes, the kicking would come to the fore again. I would be in a similar position to you in that respect Smile

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Post  OB on Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:44 am

Stow on the Wold organised a very good vintage game to celebrate their centenary. It wasn't entirely authentic, but pretty close. It was also good entertainment. Maybe other clubs have done the same, so there is probably some expertise out there if you want to do it. Here is a write-up.

The Great Stow Rugby Match of 1879
as seen by a contemporary scribe, Rev Thomas Harris, Rector of Enstone.

Saturday 30 April.
Staying with friends near Stow-on-the-Wold. It being a tolerable bright spring day, decided on a walk across the hills and chanced upon a field of young men playing a match at rugby. Stout fellows all, fleet of foot, and brawny of shoulder, now like whippets chasing a long kick, now like Greeks at the walls of Troy heaving a scrummage up field by main force.

Settled on a bank to watch more closely and observed some curious changes have crept in to the game since the days when, at Rugby school, I was accounted a clever player. Most noticeable was the practice of throwing the ball from one man to the next - a habit once considered effete and unmanly. How can you advance towards the goal if you are continually throwing backwards?

The scrummages were incomprehensible. As Arthur Budd, the revered International, wrote: "to put one's head down in a scrummage was regarded as an act of high treason." He would likewise have been appalled at the lack of application: "The other canker-worm is heeling out. Is it possible for a man to be kicking backwards and pushing forwards simultaneously? Of course not. Since football began it has been, and till football ends it will be, an enormous advantage to carry the scrummage."

In other respects too they seemed lamentably ignorant of the proper modes of play. At a punt out after a try had been marked, not only were the opponents allowed to crowd round the punter in in-goal (albeit to little effect), but the catcher forgot to make his mark. As a consequence he was rushed into a squib kick that went nowhere near its target, when he could have easily made time and space for himself. Three times this happened, and his team thus secured three tries, but lost by one goal to nil. A sad commentary on an otherwise noteworthy effort by his fellow players.

One cannot but sorrowfully agree with Judge Thomas Hughes: "I may be laudator temporis acti, but hold very firmly that the football of the fifties and early sixties was the finest form that football has ever attained."

And yet the players left the field with a ruddy glow about their persons that betokened an afternoon well spent in pleasurable exercise. The spectators chattered excitedly to themselves as they drew on their pots of ale, and I to wander on into the countryside beyond.

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Post  AdrianHunter on Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:02 am

Hi Tim,

Has there been any progresson this recently Question

I think that it is a good idea, if you would like I can put a page on the main website & try to drum up some support that way

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Post  pinkernel on Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:51 am


I have only just come across this thread and, as a Quins season ticket holder, would like to express my support for the project. Authentic contemporary kit, rules and tactics would definitely get my vote!

In addition, without in any way wishing to hi-jack your plans, could I suggest that - with one eye on the medium-term future, if your initial aim of playing a match proves successful - it might also be fruitful to have some sort of anniversary to aim at (I'm mindful that the 140th of the founding of the Rugby Football Union on 26th January 1871 has just passed) on which eventually to play a re-enactment game symbolising the pre-1914 era, perhaps as a sporting contribution to the commemorations of the centenary of the First World War?

I'm thinking of, for example, the centenary of last international (England v Ireland, 14th February 1914, 17-12 to England), or even the last club game (I have no idea which that was), played at Twickenham Stadium before the First World War.

Another alternative might be the centenary of the Scotland v England game played at Inverleith, Edinburgh on 21st March 1914 (won 16-15 by England), not least because, if my fading memory serves, no fewer than eleven of the thirty players involved lost their lives in WW1.

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Post  Tim Fox-Godden on Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:32 am

Dear Adrian & Pinkernel,

I have been rather lax in moving this forward, but, with a decent enough group to back it I think it would be a splendid idea to align with the Great War centenary activities. May be a half time activity at the Army vs Navy game or some such?

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